Posted by hanlie | Posted in Health and Fertility | Posted on 20-03-2009
I’ve been getting some questions on the Fertile Friday posts, so I thought it best to do a Q&A post once in a while. Don’t be afraid to ask questions!
Last week’s post about fats generated two important questions:
The lovely Lyn, from Escape from Obesity, wants to know more about the fish-or-flax issue. Furthermore, the fish oil that she’s been investigating says “molecularly distilled” and she asks if that means that it’s heated.
The fish vs flax debate is ongoing and passionate! Both sides are represented by respected health experts and scientists. I’ve attended debates about this, read articles and books and ultimately decided on flax oil as my supplement of choice.
The main reason is that women preparing for pregnancy, as well as pregnant and nursing mothers are discouraged from consuming fish oil. This is because oily fish are highly contaminated with PCB’s and mercury, which have been known to cause various problems with the cognitive development of babies. But of course, these substances cause problems in grown-ups too! Actor Jeremy Piven recently collapsed because of mercury poisoning from eating sushi too often and this blogger writes very eloquently about her recovery from mercury poisoning.
My other concern with fish oil is that you can’t just squeeze the fish to release the oil. Heat is always involved. All fish oil for dietary supplementation undergo the following processes: bleaching, heat under vacuum, winterization and deodorization. None of these processes are natural or gentle. Even the encapsulation process involves heat.
Molecular distillation is a process where the oil is heated to above 250°C (480°F), which is of course way above the safe limit of 160°C (320°F). They defend this by saying that the oil is only heated at this temperature for 45 seconds, which is not long enough to effect molecular changes. I don’t know about that… if you heat anything for 45 seconds at that temperature, it’s bound to undergo changes! Let them try that with their fingers and see if they remain intact… Remember, our bodies don’t have the enzymes to deal with heated fats.
Fish oil manufacturers will tell you that fish oil is loaded with Omega 3, EPA and DHA. I’m going to quote Mary-Ann Shearer from her book Perfect Health: The Natural Way on this issue, since it’s quite technical:
Omega 3 is an essential fat and can only be made by plants. It is then converted in humans into five Omega 3 derivatives – two of them are EPA and DHA. Just like the other derivatives, these two are necessary, but you do not need to take them as your body will produce them as much as is needed (just as your body converts beta-carotene into vitamin A at the rate you need it). Think of derivatives as children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. EPA is the great-grandchild of Omega 3 and DHA the great-great-great-grandchild. So as much as they are part of the family of Omega 3, they are not actually Omega 3. The companies that promote fish oil will tell you that it is the best source of Omega 3, which is not the truth as you are only getting two family members (derivatives) and not the original parent Omega 3, which is what we are designed to have.
EPA and DHA are needed by the body along with vitamin E to be efficiently processed. Fish oil lacks vitamin E whereas flaxseed oil and other cold-pressed vegetable oils have an abundance of vitamin E. Eating fats from plants allows your body to make all the EPA and DHA it needs, whereas you could be seriously overdosing when taking fish oil. Some people claim that we do not have the ability to convert Omega 3 to EPA and DHA. This is utter nonsense: the only reason we cannot convert Omega 3 is because we’re not getting it in our diet in the first place. If you happen to be one of the less than 2 percent of people who are genetically unable to do this conversion, then eat fresh fish instead. The fat is only heated once when you cook it and does not contain chemical solvents, although you may be getting a good dose of mercury. Then make sure you daily drink a tall glass of barley grass juice as the chlorophyll will help neutralize these heavy metals.
She goes on to remind us that fish oil comes loaded with cholesterol, which flax oil obviously doesn’t have – you need a liver in order to manufacture cholesterol. One of my family members saw an alarming increase in his total cholesterol after starting to take fish oil supplements.
For more information on fats, I would recommend a visit to Udo Erasmus’ website. He really is a guru on fat (as opposed to a fat-guru!) and has a most impressive Q&A section.
Fellow green smoothie enthusiast, Tami, has the following question, “I am wondering what you think about coconut oil other than that it is a bit safer to heat it. It is labeled as saturated and yet as a medium chain fatty acid it is used by the body better than other saturated fats — does that fit with your research?”
I haven’t done much research on coconut oil, but I know that it’s a beneficial saturated fat. It can be heated much higher than other fats, so it’s good to have in the kitchen.
There are all kinds of claims being made, which makes me cautious, as I don’t want to fall into the “next big thing” trap. So this is something that I’m going to investigate more thoroughly and I’ll do a post about coconut oil in the future. I know that Udo Erasmus uses it in his blended oil.
I use coconut oil on my face and body and I love it.
We have to remember that no matter how beneficial a fat is, it should still be consumed in moderation.
Boysmom wants to know why I said in this post that corn is bad.
I love corn! Really, it was hard for me to give it up.
You don’t have to avoid corn if you can find your own supplier of organic, heirloom corn, but that may be quite hard…
Almost all commercially grown corn, and soy, are genetically modified. And as much as the biotech industry wants to reassure us that GMO’s are safe, they really have no proof.
The independant research data is starting to trickle in and the news is not good. One study in particular scared me – they found that genetically modified corn causes infertility and abnormal gene expression in mice. That was it for me – no more corn! I don’t need something that may thwart my best efforts to get fertile!
In the actual post, I was talking about junk food, and I included corn products in that description. That is because corn is widely used in foods, not only as High Fructose Corn Syrup, but in various other forms, all highly processed and bearing no resemblance to actual corn. Did you know that of the thirty eight (???) ingredients in Chicken McNuggets, 13 are corn based? And people give this to their kids? They may be depriving themselves of grandchildren…
For more information about genetically modified foods, I recommend John Robbins’ excellent book The Food Revolution. My dad has just finished reading it and he’s completely changed his mind about GM foods! If we don’t stop these companies, the human race will become extinct in a very short time. You may also want to subscribe to the Organic Consumers Association, which has wonderful articles, newsletters and initiatives.
Don’t hesitate to ask questions! Next week we’ll resume our discussion about foods to avoid in our quest for perfect weight and fertility.










So I bought some of the books from your FertileHealthy Amazon store and have started reading them. Right now I’m on the Omnivore’s Dilemna. It is crazy to learn about how corn has become the top commodity/crop in this country! I had no idea before. It was always served as a side veggie when I was growing up- and I was always being coerced to eat it. Although I always liked it, but it never would digest properly. It would just come out the same way it went in- (not through my mouth, I mean it looked the same).
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wow- i cant even imagine putting that much thought into my food. of course im all of eating healthy, but holy crap, i have way too much other stuff to worry about. im probably going to get hit by a bus tomorrow anyway.
Tricia – I’m glad you’re doing some extra reading! There is so much valuable information out there. That’s another thing I used to love about eating corn – you can easily determine your transit time (the time it take for food to go through your body).
Kelly – When it comes to food these days, knowledge really goes a long way, especially when you’re obese and/or infertile!
Wow, I didn’t realize that information on Fish oils. It just shows you that I need to really get more educated on how to truly live a healthy lifestyle. Thanks for the wake up call. By the way still NOT drinking any sodas. Day 20 now. Went back to drinking a bit of coffee though
I’m really disappointed about that.
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Again — thank you so much for these great posts. I especially LOVE how you get into the fish versus flax controversy — makes so much sense. Now I need to get the rest of my family eating more flax along with some occasional fresh fish since they do also eat meat (I don’t anymore) and stop the fish oil supplements. It would be interesting if the doctors that go on and on about the fish oil research would actually do research comparing these in highly public studies.
And you know I’m looking forward to your coconut oil post.
I totally get what you mean about not wanting to fall into the next “thing” w/ over eating coconut oil (or something else). Coconut oil was extremely useful to me in transitioning to a better idea (as well as extra virgin olive oil) as I cut out all other oils etc. but now I’m trying to be more moderate about all fats … and I just realized I could find young coconuts at a store near where I live so I’ve been thinking that I should eat more coconut rather than focusing on the oil. So many things to sort through and test on myself LOL.
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I love to read your posts… it’s so nice to see that someone else nitpicks about things like genetically modified corn. A freaky example of modified corn is some corn that came up in our yard from some bird feed that we were given by a friend… the corn came up and looked like a normal corn plant, but then got wierd seedy looking tufts at the top instead of corn… presumably this was one of the types of corn that can’t produce a crop the second year but produces huge yields the first year…. big business makes money selling the seed corn every year because you can’t save seed to plant… weird stuff… anyway… since seeing that I always buy organic corn non GMO and only organic non GMO corn!
Anyway… thanks for the post… you always seem to really know your stuff, and it’s great to read!
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Wow so much great info here- I didn’t know hardly anything about flax and fish oils before reading this
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Rob – I think you’re doing great! Getting of soda is huge… You can always tackle the coffee later!
Tami – Getting fresh coconuts would be the ultimate! It’s always better to consume the fat with the fiber, so ground flax seeds are actually better than the oil. We don’t get coconuts over here!
Nora – I can rant about biotech companies for days! They are nothing less than evil. And I mean that in the strongest sense of the word.
Sagan – I’m glad this helped you…
As usual – fantastic post Hanlie! I need to research and re-think my cod liver oil. I really feel like I need something with Iodine in it though for my thyroid…any thoughts?
Karla
Another good oil to consider for heating is grapeseed oil. It is very stable under high heat and very low is saturated fat, mostly polyunsaturated.
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Thank you very much Hanlie! That’s some great info. I appreciate you taking time to answer my question (and call me lovely!) Hugs… will miss you til you get back online!
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